Clement Greenberg OSHAWA INTERVIEW
グリーンバーグのインタビューが面白かった。
要はこの人の主張って、この辺りに集約されていたのかもしれないとちょっと思った。
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A.W.: It seemed that in the late 40's a lot of those artists were spending time with Hans Hofmann.
C.G.: Hofmann was a good teacher because he warned his students, "I don't want you to paint the way I paint." He was very reluctant to show his work for many years for that reason. That may not have been the only reason.
A.W.: There was quite a difference between Emma Lake and Toronto.☆
C.G.: There was a time difference and I don't mean it was 62 instead of 57. We spent two weeks together. The Toronto visit was too short. When you have more time, you're able to say "Now look. I'm not telling you how to paint. Your art is just bouncing off me." Those two weeks were a real chance to say, "Don't do what I say; don't think that I'm telling you what to do; find out [for yourself] what you want to do. I can see that what you're doing now is imitating someone else, giving yourself a notion of where you want to go."
A.W.: The popular belief is that you tell artists what to paint.
C.G.: Yes, that's said about me, except none of the artists whom I visited here in Toronto in 1957 said that as far as I know. None of them said that!
A.W.: Do you enter a studio and say "I like this and it's good because"
C.G.: I don't get into "becauses." When you come into a studio you see a number of works. My habit is to go to the one I like most. If you start to say "because" you get into art jargon. You do most of your talking about the works and try to say why you think Every artist is a law to himself. There's no method.
ワークショップに臨む態度として、まっとうに正しいと思うし、正論だと思う。しかし、この手の方針って、学生たちには、なかなか通じない。「アーティスト」として既にやっている連中には通じたのだろうか？ どうなんだろ。
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彼が、カントに事寄せつつ語っている「モダニズム」っていうのも、この運動的なワークショップの集合体のようなものだったのかもしれない。
「誰かと同じように描くな」「俺が言ったように描くな」「『なぜなら』って言うな」。
それらを綜合して押し進めて行けば、自ずとモダニズムは「批判」的に自ら運動して行く、と。
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クレメント・グリーンバーグ「モダニズムの絵画」1960
藤枝晃雄編訳「グリーンバーグ批評選集」 ISBN:4326851856
CLEMENT GREENBERG "Modernist Painting" 1960
